it wasn't just the accident of mitt romney or whatever else. they called themselves out of touch. narrow minded. stuffy old men, trib unz of the deserving rich. i mean, i just-- i think they deserve enormous credit. and the one policy recommending a they did come up with, of course, was immigration, strongly, strenuously endorsing that. but, you know, to me it was-- it was a mea culpa, azet the same time, sort of a candid assessment of where the party-- >> let me go into why i think it was insufficient. agreeing with what mark said. the party cannot be competitive nationally unless it's competitive in california, oregon, washington, new england, pennsylvania, along the coasts. and the problem for the party is you can't get there from here. you can't start out where the current republicans are and win back those places. to me what you have to do is create a different republican party that can win in those places. >> because these are more diverse. >> right, and so a different wing expaefort it has to talk in a different language about mobility, a different language about social iss